Dear Zdenek Houf,<br><br>You wrote, that You use HV cable WP21164 from GCE Company. The insulating material of WP21164 is rubber, and not PVC. Please always be precise, and please provide the correct datasheet with voltage rating. Please note, that if the factory data is not acceptable for this application, you can justify your decision with appropriate calculations.<br>
<br>Gest regards,<br>Gergely<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/3 Zdenek Houf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:houfzden@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">houfzden@fel.cvut.cz</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Gergely Láger,<div>I am sending you datasheet of HV cables. It has rated voltage 450/750 V.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards</div><div class="im"><div><br></div><div>Zdeněk Houf</div>
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Ing. Zdeněk Houf<br>CTU CarTech Electric<br>Team Captain<br><a href="http://www.cartech.cvut.cz" target="_blank">www.cartech.cvut.cz</a><br>tel: <a href="tel:%2B420%2022435%202341" value="+420224352341" target="_blank">+420 22435 2341</a>, <a href="tel:%2B420%20720%20672%20328" value="+420720672328" target="_blank">+420 720 672 328</a><br>
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<br><div><div>On 3.8.2012, at 11:46, Gergely Lágler wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Gergely Lágler</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lagler@xtalin.com" target="_blank">lagler@xtalin.com</a>></span><br>
Date: 2012/8/3<br>Subject: Re: [FSE] FS Hungary - ESF - CTU in Prague<br>To: Zdenek Houf <<a href="mailto:houfzden@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">houfzden@fel.cvut.cz</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:fse-cs@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">fse-cs@fel.cvut.cz</a>, <a href="mailto:fse-mot@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">fse-mot@fel.cvut.cz</a>, <a href="mailto:Fse-acp@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">Fse-acp@fel.cvut.cz</a>, Alexander Dudás <<a href="mailto:alexander.dudas@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexander.dudas@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br><br><font>Dear Zdenek Houf,<br><br>please find my answers below:<div><br>> Accumulator :<br>
> • Does it meet the requirements of the B19.13.1, and B19.13.2 ?<br></div>The Question is about the rules <i>B19.13.1, and B19.13.2</i>, and not about the rules
</font><font><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="CS">B19.3.1 and </span></i><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="CS">B19.3.2.</span></i><br>
> • Appropriate figures of the accumulator where the cells are
shown properly, and a picture from the inside of the accu pack missing<br>Your answer is accepted.<br>
> • Figure of the accu position in the car, is that inside
the frame? B19.13.4 Any energy storage container, HV system wiring and
HV systemcomponents must be contained within the frame<br></font><font>Your answer is accepted.</font><br><font>
> • More details about the HV cables.<br></font><font>I need data about the voltage rating of the HV cables.</font><br><font><div>
> Motor Controller :<br>
> • Missing picture about the position in the car.<br></div>The B19.13.4 rule says: "Any energy storage container, HV system wiring and HV system<br>components must be contained within the frame and if positioned below<br>
350mm from the ground must be protected from impact by another vehicle<br>by structure meeting FSAE rule B3.24 or B3.31."<br>As I can see, the motor controller is not inside the frame. It must be inside the space that is defined by the main hoops. <br>
It is required to modify the location of the motor controller, or modify the frame (</font><font>If it is not inside the space defined by the main hoops)</font><font>. <br>
> • How the HV and LV parts galvanically isolated?<br></font><font>Your answer is accepted.</font><div><br><font>
> Motors:<br>
> • Does not specify how to ensure the water resistance.<br>
</font></div><font>Your answer is accepted, but I need more details (picture f. e.) in the ESF</font><font>.<br><br>I look forward to your reply.<br>Thank you, and best regards,<br>Gergely <br><br><br></font><div class="gmail_quote">
<font>2012/8/2 Zdenek Houf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:houfzden@fel.cvut.cz" target="_blank">houfzden@fel.cvut.cz</a>></span><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<font><div><div>Dear Gergely,<br>
I am writing you about additions in ESF doccument:<br>
The questions about Accumulator:<br><br><br></div></div>
Motor Controller:
</font><font><br><br><br>
Motors:
</font><font><br>
Water resistance is covered by used technology of motor. The motor is primary designed for driving propeller so it has open construction.<br><br>
Best Regards
</font><font><br><br>
Ing. Zdeněk Houf
</font><font><br><div>
CTU CarTech Electric<br>
Team Captain<br><a href="http://www.cartech.cvut.cz/" target="_blank">www.cartech.cvut.cz</a>
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On 26.7.2012, at 14:43, Gergely Lágler wrote:
</div></font><font><br><div><div><br>
> Dear Formula Student Team of Czech Technical University in Prague,
</div></div></font><font><br><div><div>
><br>
> I am writing about your ESF documentation for the FSH event. Reading your documentation I could not be sure that the following parts of your ESF documentation fulfill the requirements of the official ESF and FS Hungary regulations: (<a href="http://fshungary.hu/rules-and-important-documents-2012" target="_blank">http://fshungary.hu/rules-and-important-documents-2012</a>)<br>
><br>
> Accumulator :<br>
> • Does it meet the requirements of the B19.13.1, and B19.13.2 ?<br>
> • Appropriate figures of the accumulator where the cells are shown properly, and a picture from the inside of the accu pack missing<br>
> • Figure of the accu position in the car, is that inside the frame? B19.13.4 Any energy storage container, HV system wiring and HV systemcomponents must be contained within the frame<br>
> • More details about the HV cables.<br>
> Motor Controller :<br>
> • Missing picture about the position in the car.<br>
> • How the HV and LV parts galvanically isolated?<br>
> Motors:<br>
> • Does not specify how to ensure the water resistance.<br>
><br>
> I kindly ask you to respond this letter in case that you received it. Your ESF will be refused to accept on 2012.07.27. You will have 10 days to correct the shortcomings.<br>
><br>
> If you have any question do not hesitate to contact.<br>
> I wish you a successful preparation, and a good race.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Gergely Lágler<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Gergely Lagler<br>
> XTALIN Kft<br>
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